What a great night out!!
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Posted:Feb 17, 2008 4:31 am
Last Updated:Feb 27, 2008 1:59 am
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....Misty and I had a wonderfully great time at Sinz!!
First, we have found that to find outrageous clubs where you can really let your hair down you have to go to NYC and the village or Manhattan at best. So it is just indescribable how happy we are to finally try Sinz and find it all we hoped for. A bit loud....tough to talk.....but next time we will not sit next to the speakers. LOL The ladies were hot and it was great to see them all be able to let their hair down and enjoy themselves to the fullest in a safe and open atmosphere. And to find so many friends...new friends....and bump into people that...well....neither of us really knew the other was in the lifestyle but I think the OMG factor was more on their part then ours. We prefer the water and duck position when bumping into vanilla or once where vanilla friends, contacts, business acquaintances within the lifestyle realm.
The outfits ranged from sexy and alluring to steamy hot to OMG she wore that from the parking lot to here????? She is lucky she didn’t freeze anything off!!! Of coarse the snow while out on the balcony looking in the direction of the ocean was.....well.....great...but damn can't we start spring now!!???!! The thing is don't women...any woman....look sexy when she is in her own. When she can drop her "wall" of being , Mother, Girlfriend, Lover, Wife, Woman with Peers etc etc...and she can just be her self and have fun...and you know by looking at her she is relaxed and having fun? And if she wants to be sexually alluring...or hell...express her sexual power...so be it...and enjoy that she can. It is a wonderful thing.
The drinks are a bit stiff, light and expensive, but if you go there to get mellow you can expect it to be an expensive mellow. New Thought......lets have a before party......location to be found.....light food....drinks....could even be a local restaurant or bar.....then, with responsible drivers and driving of coarse or within walking distance....travel to Sinz. Easier to keep a small fire burning then to start one with the wind and rain at your front so to speak.
In MA the exposure laws are much more relaxed so the more carefree you can be in a private/public place. In NH, it has to be private and behind closed doors....and we will be checking that out later. We also have a few other clubs we would like to try out one in Manchester NH an alternative lifestyle club but scanty is allowed but not nude or exposed body parts.
The people are great and we hope that we are on the road to some great new friendships. Do you not just live for New Horizons?
C&M
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A fine line.....but there is a difference.....
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Posted:Feb 8, 2008 3:47 am
Last Updated:Feb 15, 2008 2:25 am
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In a lifestyle that enjoys and promotes sexual activity between consenting adults as a healthy recreational activity. With intimate friendships where sexual boundries are freely crossed and polyamory relationships sprout roots and grow. How do you keep your personal identity, your spouse identity and the definition of your relationship? Where is the line where you both are and where everyone else in your life is? Does it become all so blurred that it becomes difficult to tell? Can you loose touch with your self, your spouse, your primary love and partner and has your relationship changed as a result of your new found lifestyle?
Some of these questions can be very disturbing to consider but is it just a matter of growth? A further extension of a relationship? Is it possible to have a primary relationship healthy and strong and cultivate and enjoy relationships with others? Is it all really in the end just about sex?
Some times I like to throw out there some things to think about....change focus or bring into focus just a touch of reality in our sometimes seemingly unreal world. I personally have found that with many is can be just about sex within the lifestyle. But, with some, the lucky few, it is about relationships, strengthening, a freedom of spirit mind and body that has never been experienced before.
I would like to explore some of this over the next few blogs and welcome any input, ideas and thoughts from anyone out there.
Sherper
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Reality or Fantasy: M P K Bakkaka
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Posted:Feb 1, 2008 3:08 am
Last Updated:Feb 29, 2008 2:03 am
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The first of several parts........
Fantasy or Reality
M P K Bakkaka
Another MME from Six Degrees East of Eden
Part One
The gathering was scheduled for eleven in the morning. The night before was spent setting the stage. Every successful fantasy has to have someone to orchestrate it. Just like a fine orchestra the conductor whose job it is to guide and the musicians to give the music; to create the body, substance and soul for a fine musical. The conductor is the person who coaxes the very best from each musician so that they can be the very best that they can be, allow them to perform the very best they can, to set themselves free. Everyone should be allowed to experience their very best performance, to be free, at least once. And so it is with fantasies as well.
The players started arriving at 10 am on the dot. Two men knew each other and traveled together and then one by one they each arrived. Talk and the coffee flowed freely in the kitchen. Much of the talk was idle chat between guys; sports, work the weather and so on. Some of the younger men asked excitedly about what was expected of them and what could they do, nervous in their first group experience. The conductor gathered the men together and went over the rules of the day and what was expected. These men were chosen selectively for each of their abilities to perform, please and each was vouched for by known group leaders and couples. Several were married men from couples who are active in several local groups. There were the anticipated chuckles and remarks made during this instruction, men will always be men, but all in good natured fun. At eleven thirty the conductor and host herded the twenty odd men down the stairs to the room in the basement prepared the day before.
The first lady to arrive was Lady M the wife of the conductor. Dressed modestly with a fair amount of cleavage showing she sipped her coffee looking a bit nervous. The next two ladies arrived together. Princess with her school girl outfit and girlie pony tails and her friend Lady K who arrived in a splendid sexy out fit with heels. The ladies chatted and laughed excitedly together for a short time and then the conductor announced it was time.
Taking Lady K by the hand he led her to the door and stopped. There the host placed a silk scarf over her eyes as a blindfold. “This will come off later” whispered the conductor. And properly blindfolded he led her down the stairs, a step at a time, to the room below. As they reached the bottom the host started down the stairs with Lady M and after her came BD and The Princess each properly blindfolded.
Incense and music were the first things to reach the senses of our three adventurous ladies. A wonderful heavy bodied aroma with a sense of spice filled the air. The deep soft beat, steady and mesmerizing, played softly in the background as each lady was lead to their locations on the floor. There they were each turned a few times allowing them the ability to know the presence of others in the room and then spun in place several times, stepped to the side and then left alone. With a cue from the conductor silently male bodies stepped forward their hands gliding and touching hesitantly at first as gasps of unexpected touch came from the ladies. In a few short moments the hands became more firm and determined. A brush of the cheek, a hand on the tummy, fingers tracing a breast, lips on a neck. One by one each of the men stepped forward until each of the three women, still unaware, had six to eight men surrounding them each with seven to twelve hands at any given time caressing and touching their bodies….undressing them slowly. Aside from the occasional giggle or remark the room grew quieter and quieter to the point that all that could be heard was the monotone drone of the music, heavy breathing from a room full of people and the occasional female sigh.
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The Pats game this saturday
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Posted:Jan 10, 2008 2:34 am
Last Updated:Jan 11, 2008 2:06 pm
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We are organizing a impromptu Meet and Greet this saturday at Murphys Tap in Manchester NH to watch the Pats play. This is a great spot to gather and enjoy the game and some great Pub style food, beer and ale, and great atmosphere. We will be arriving early about an hour before the game to ensure we get enough tables. This is a social event but people left to thier own devices after the game there is not telling what could happen.
If you are coming let us know so we have an idea on how many tables/chairs to get. If you are not sure you can always just stop by. You can check them out here www murphystaproom net They offer a
great food menu and over 24 beers and ale on tap or bottled. I personally have been slowly working my way thru the ale list.
You can contact us here.
Sherper & Misty
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Anatomy of a Threesome
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Posted:Jan 2, 2008 3:10 am
Last Updated:May 28, 2024 4:20 am
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Anatomy of a Threesome
Much has been discussed about threesomes. Most who do speak with enthusiasm about their hopes, likes and experiences but there are some who seem to have something less then a full experience.
Like with many things in life you can always, pardon the pun, feel your way thru most any new experience. Or you can learn as much as you can and try on your own and like playing a musical instrument hone your skills and experiences until each time is a memorable one. Of course that depends on one or two things; the other one or two people in the triad.
First we need to agree somewhat on what a threesome is. A meeting of three people, two of which are of the same sex for the purpose of sexual pleasure of all but with focus of attention to one participant. But that is the heterosexual mind at work; it can also include any combination of three humans participating in sexual activity together. But as with any triad there is a “hinge” person and two others each flanking the “hinge” person. The “hinge” person is the focus of the sexual attention and as the two flanking lovers are responsible to provide sexual attention to the “hinge” person of their triad the “hinge” person is responsible to sexually satisfy his/her two lovers. But lack of experience and sexual shyness can make the experience have a few skips in the road and quite often can leave one of the triad with a less than experience. Is it possible to have a threesome where all three are equally participatory and in the end have equal enjoyment?
There are basically three types of experiences for threesomes:
1. Number Threesomes: This is where there is no real focus on any part of the adventure. The only part of this experience that is a threesome is the fact that there are three people present. This normally happens by chance and with inexperienced players. Usually it is a couple with an added participant but it can also as easily be a single with two others who are willing to join. The difference is that the mind set of all three is different then each other and the sexual fulfillment of one special member out of the three doesn’t exist. You can usually tell this by they way it works if you could watch the activity as it unfolds. There is hesitation from all the players. Two engage while the other watches comfortably waiting their “turn” before engaging any activity. Yes some like to watch but if that is what you desire then it isn’t a threesome. Those participating of the same sex usually make special accommodation to ensure that they do not touch, brush or in some cases even share the same body parts of the lover in the middle. One will hold back, lay back, while the other engages and once they are done they will swap positions. Penetration is usually standard, first one and once done then the other. Some light form of homophobia is present. This would greatly limit the possibilities of experience for the person who is to be the focus of attention, the “hinge” person of the triad. Many experience this and many walk away with a less then satisfied experience and not very impressed. This experience is usually what most every first timer experiences and what is typical at most swinger parties.
2. Participatory Threesomes: This is the most common experienced activity by three experienced players. Either privately or at some form of swinger gathering experienced players will fall into this category. The biggest difference is the absence of most homophobic concerns with all participating parties. There is a focus on one individual, the hinge in the triad, and he/she understands and desires to please simultaneously his/her two lovers. This takes not only some experience but a willingness and ability to be multi tasking but at the same time be able to enjoy the sensation and experience of the simultaneous stimulation being bestowed upon him/her by two lovers. It is quite an activity sexually. If done properly and with some experience, knowledge and skill the hinge of the triad can experience the effects of having two lovers and all that goes with that. Using all that he/she has to offer; oral, manual, massage, penetration his/her lovers can offer stimulation of his/her body as well as the ability of the hinge person pleasuring both lovers at the same time. More often then not the “hinge” person experiences two or more orgasms for themselves and gives/receives two to four orgasms from his/her lovers. More often then not the experience ends with one lover’s orgasm orally while the other orgasm is from penetration. There is still a level of division lines between participants and activities.
3. Lovers Triad: Merging of Lovers: This experience is most often only enjoyed by close intimate friends and lovers. The participants most often know and engage each other regularly enough so that they know what is accepted and what is not and what each player is capable of and enjoys. Although it may include bi activity by some of the participants it is not required. What is required is the ability to fully enjoy the presence of all participants. The focus of this activity is the pleasure for the “hinge” of the triad, the total lack of and non existence of any Homophobic concerns. Brushing and touching and combining of same sex participants for the benefit and fulfillment of the person of focus is willingly given. Again this does not mean Bi sexual activity but does mean that the “hinge” person gets to experience fully the attention of two lovers. Having two of everything at his/her disposal, his/her control, and his/her skills to satisfy two and the ability for him/her to experience, to enjoy, the sexual fulfillment of two lovers simultaneously in or on their body. This is full on inclusive sexual play between three consenting adults with the sexual pleasure and fulfillment of all participants but the focus of control and experience on one person. Experienced lovers understand what pleases the other and offer that with out hesitation. Sexual experiences during this kind of threesome activity can include but not be limited to:
Simultaneous kissing, nipple stimulation, oral sex. The presence of two genitalia
for oral stimulation at the same time. Double penetration, dual penetrations,
simultaneous penetrations. Simultaneous orgasm experiences, facials, body
splash, receiving dual oral, vaginal or anal ejaculations. The free sharing and
passing of body fluids.
Bluntly this activity is not for those who are bed hopping. Because of the activity involved and the sharing of body fluids there has to be a trust and knowledge between the participants. The benefit of coarse is the experience. The feeling of the two lover’s orgasm for the “hinge” lover. The feeling of receiving both lovers to your body. The rush of feeling each lover’s height of excitement and completion for you, at times inside of you at or close to the same time and some cases simultaneously when experiencing dual, double or simultaneous penetration experiences.
Threesomes, or triad sexual relationships, can be extremely fulfilling once experience and willingness has been achieved, but, at the deepest level only with known loves and lovers. As with any sexual adventure, safety has to take a front seat.
Sherper
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What does a woman enjoy for a turn on?
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Posted:Nov 11, 2007 8:57 am
Last Updated:Jan 7, 2008 1:55 am
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So after much discussion it has been decided that what turns women on in this lifestyle is rather varied. There are some similarities but for the most part it is all about how they feel at the moment. Shocking find isn’t it?
Not that this is shocking or something totally unknown I think the general population of real men have known this for quite some time. Many of us stumble thru life trying desperately to impress someone that we are attracted to…to the point of looking almost foolish….ok ridiculously foolish…but it is in our nature.
Recently talking to a friend of mine I was surprised to find that “Tim” had found the secret to turning women on, or at the very least in his mind he did. When he wants to get lucky he wears his dark green trousers, Dockers, without any underwear…..goes commando……this I really could have gone all day….hell…..many days…months even without having to know. His claim is that it “silhouettes” him well in a dimly lit bar and lets the ladies know what he is looking for and if they are game he is too. “It makes my motives known and allows for quick and easy access”, says “Tim”. The only thing that came to mind for me was……this boy is really sad. I mean damn. He is younger then I am yet I think his mind is stuck in 1979 and the heart of the wild and crazy guy syndrome during the height of Disco. Again…..Damn!!
I am not so sure that a woman in a nonsexual situation, like having a drink at a lounge or shopping glances at a man who is licking his lips, thrusting his pelvis out, or going commando…no matter what he is packing….flipping a switch that sets her in “needing sex” mode. Where as a man even thinks a woman “glanced” at him or “gave me the look” and he is off in a fantasy faster then lightening and in the “on” mode hoping to “get lucky”. I think the difference can be summed up in a quote I read recently in another post that quoted Jeff Foxworthy, and he seems to have a handle on the differences on what turns on men and woman.
"A woman can walk up to her man and say, 'I'm not wearin' any underwear.' His first thought is, 'Alright! Might get lucky!' But if a man walks up to a woman and says, 'I'm not wearin' any underwear.' her first thought is, 'Oh, damn! I'm gonna have to wash those pants twice!'"
I have heard it all. In this lifestyle there are those who are here as free spirits, like I believe I am, who enjoy sharing sexual activity with others as an accepted adult extricular activity and believes it to have a majickal basis and receives great pleasure in pleasuring any willing woman regardless of expectations or reciprocation, and then to the other extreme the extreme ego tripping guy who really believes he is all that and only he can really show just what each woman has been missing, being the great lover he believes he is. That he is the answer to what the woman in questions lover/SO/husband can’t do for her. Sad individuals indeed.
Within it all is the center of this lifestyle: a woman. As I have always said, without women all we would have is a room full of hairy guys with nothing to do. Now that is an image that will stick far too long in anyone’s mind. But it is true. It does require a woman confident in her self and her sexuality or desire to be sexual so that she enjoys what she does, as well as what is done for her knowing that is a part of her not what defines her. It doesn’t mean that she has to “want it all the time”, is obligated to provide or “that she is the personal play thing for men” (although some like that fantasy or experience). It doesn’t mean that she has to be part of the lifestyle she could be only this way with her one lover or husband. And it doesn’t make her any more or less of a woman, that only happens in how men will treat her and how she allows men to treat her…but that is another topic It does mean that she enjoys the excitement, the being excited, the tease, the causing the excitement….and here it is…….wait for it…..the control she has over her sexual self and what she can do for others at her own choosing.
And all that brings us back to the original question. What turns you on? What, as a woman, do you enjoy most about sexual play? Do you prefer to be the aggressor or the aggressie? Do you enjoy the man or woman you are with getting excited knowing that you are the orchestrater of that excitement? Does the act of making your partner excited and giving them an orgasm satisfy you in some way? Excite you to a higher level of sexual awareness for yourself or does the actual climax, the orgasm they experience cause you the excitement? Does watching a woman achieve orgasm increase your sexual excitement? Does watching a man orgasm increase your sexual excitement? Are you more fulfilled sexually watching a man ejaculate, feeling him ejaculate or just knowing he has as a result of your efforts?
Sherper
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Do most prefer wet finishes?
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Posted:Nov 4, 2007 1:54 am
Last Updated:Feb 14, 2008 1:50 am
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As you know we enjoy intimate friends. Most everyone we share sexually with we have known in some cases for quite some time.
Everyone, and rightfully so, plays safe these days and with strangers and one night stands I think that is a must, sadly, but better safe then sorry.
But for those you know well and see often and have something of a relationship with, intimate friends, fuck buddies, lovers do you prefer to be natural?
We both prefer natural and wet finishes. Meaning when it is time to cum, he or her, just let things happen and start all over again.
There is nothing better then making your partner cum, strong and deep, and then after some careful attention starting all over again. Even if the lady isn't into cum in her mouth splashing on her neck or breast or tummy is very erotic and easily cleaned up.
But I have to ask, how many prefer with someone they enjoy and know to have that love finish inside them? The final thrust, the orgasmic grip taking all he has?
We have always enjoyed this with close intimate friends and we have found more that do prefer this practice then those that do not, again, close intimate friends and usually no on is shy around fluids.
So who else prefers a wet finish?
Sherper & Misty
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Several years of living the Lifestyle
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Posted:Oct 20, 2007 3:38 am
Last Updated:Nov 8, 2007 1:52 am
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We have been living the lifestyle some what openly for several years. Up until recently we had been pretty active in attending others swing parties and hosting many of our own. Over the past few years with family and business issues we have dialed it back and have hosted still several of our annual parties and have had several gatherings of friends but not to the same frequency as before. We hope to change this as this fall progresses.
I can tell you that we like many of you know when you have found the right party, or mix of people. Things just click. The laughter, excited chatter, the teasing and yes the hours of pleasing. Some parties are just those parties. Everyone stands around near the kitchen or snack table and chatters sometimes too much of the rumor mill spins there. Not much interaction between the guests. I think it reflects a lot of the hosts. How they set up the party and how and what path they let it take. Some parties are more private with mostly or only private rooms. Some even allow open play depending on where it is, inside or out of the house. Again, everyone gets to choose their favorite place where the people are all great and the atmosphere is just right and everything is available that they could think of to make it another adventurous night. For us, it was the Secret Chalet.
We probably learned and saw more at the Secret Chalet then any other party we have tried. We used much of what we experienced there as a basis to our own small parties. Good people, good food, make everyone feel at home and welcome. Take the time to talk to everyone and make everyone feel included. We learned and found we enjoyed the open room for sex play. As many in the room as possible: wreathing bodies everywhere. Not only did it add to the heat and pleasure of the room but it presented something I really love: Eye Candy. Nothing takes the place of participating with an eager partner or partners. But a close runner up is eye candy. The glimpses of what is going on right next to you by others while you yourself are engaged in sex play. The moans and groans that surround you as you give or receive pleasure with your partner(s). We had our favorite room, one I hope to replicate in part in our own home over the next year or two. The Pillow room.
A room full of mattresses on the floor with dozens of pillows, sheer cloth hung from the ceiling and darkened or dimmed colored lighting. It was wonderful. We had many a great experience in that room and met some wonderful people some we saw several times over the years and some we are still friends with today even though distance separates us by days of travel.
We have not been to the Secret Chalet in quite some time and it has been closed for some time. But the people that attended still talk of the parties that were once held there. We have met many friends since that time and hope to meet many more. We hold our own smaller version of the special parties that we enjoyed with our own flair to them, a gathering of friends and new friends.
Sherper
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Our 4th Anual Halloweenie Swing Party
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Posted:Sep 20, 2007 3:31 am
Last Updated:Dec 10, 2007 5:52 pm
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4th ANNUAL
HALLOWEENIE SWING
October 27th 2007 3pm til ????
Cum dressed for the festivities
COFFEE TIME NEW HAMPSHIRE, MANCHESTER SWINGERS AND SIX DEGREES
EAST OF EDEN WOULD LIKE TO INVITE YOU TO OUR FOURTH ANNUAL
HALLOWEENIE SWING
This is our fourth annual Halloweenie Swing Party!!! There will be games!!! There will be prizes!!! There will be great food and drink!!! And as usual there will be great people having a wild time. There is limited space for those who wish to attend so check your calendars and let us know if you will be attending. For those who have attended in the past you know this is sure thing a real blast. It is time to let that little hiding inside you come out to play!! Although costumes are not mandatory it is highly recommended to enjoy the fun.
THIS IS AN RSVP PARTY WITH A $10 PER PERSON TO HELP COVER COSTS.
Confirm you reservations ASAP
More details to follow.
Greg, Margaret, Craig & Marcia,
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Adult halloween game ideas
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Posted:Sep 17, 2007 6:45 pm
Last Updated:Jan 26, 2008 2:34 am
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We are looking for new adult halloween party games for a swinger party. We have many games but are always looking for new ideas. Does anyone have any?
Sherper & Misty
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Safe sex and those over 50
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Posted:Sep 2, 2007 7:01 am
Last Updated:Dec 31, 2007 12:37 pm
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Being in the lifestyle we have noticed this not only with our friends and others we meet or observe at parties but I also have personal experience here.
Nature’s cruelest joke has always been that the male gender comes to its sexual prime in his late teens and twenties and the female gender in her 40s.
From the age of 13-15 years old the male can only think of how to relieve himself of the build up he is feeling in his groin and the female gender desires are closeness, feeling, emotion and touch. Then later in life, as the male matures, understands and learns his needs change to understanding, touch, feeling closeness and the female gender's needs change from the emotional to the physical. I guess it isn't difficult to understand how in many early tribe/clan practices the older more mature woman was held in higher regard and heralded younger male members into manhood.
As life gets more hectic and chaotic and the man becomes more seditary and his testosterone lowers some the challenge is that the male genitals require more physical stimulation. Less often the slightest thought of sexual contact will make him rigid and ready to drill thru rock. LOL More direct stimulation and caressing is needed and any break in the concentration, the thought of the moment, can lead to the deflating of the primary equipment needed for the operation.
Combine this with men, most of whom are from the baby boomer generation, who have for the most part spent most their lifetime, 20-30 years not needing to use a condom (due to the pill and having been in long term relationships, marriage etc) who now suddenly find themselves needing to use one this can present a challenge. I learned this when we entered the swing lifestyle and found my first year or more very frustrating and disappointing all due to having to deal with condom application, and in many cases still today. Probably this is why intimate friends choosing not to use condoms is becoming more popular then the quickie meet at the motel swap/swinging mind set but that is another blog for later. Just the sudden focus of stopping all the action to open and apply the device can in itself be enough to ruin the moment. I have learned that proper type and size of condom helps very much, and practicing putting one on, like a bike you get it back but if you don’t ride often you will always wobble about. Making it part of the foreplay makes all the difference in the world and that is where the woman comes in. It isn't just on the man to put one on. It is ok and rather erotic for the lady to put one on her man for him.
It is probably not as much an issue and concern to the woman patiently waiting for the man to put the condom on. After all, it is up to him right. After all if he can’t suit up, nothing is going to happen and another moment is lost. From the males mind it is failure, disappointment, frustration, his inability to function as a man. And one failure often leads to another, and then another until the attempt just isn’t made anymore. Enter the modern woman.
Being an observer by nature, voyeur if you will, one thing I have noticed at open room swing parties and my own experiences in the lifestyle there is a huge difference in the generations that use condoms. In the younger generation many of the women, younger women, are very adept at placing a wrapper on their male partner, often without stopping or skipping a beat in the foreplay. I have noticed also that women who are in the lifestyle that have taken upon themselves to learn have become very casual with placing a condom on their male playmate often with out his notice. I have also seen some women who have practiced the fine art of applying a condom using their mouth and hand so when they go down on their man he is almost unaware that a condom has been place on him. Do not be a bystander in the operation. Be the applicator. Make it part of your sexual talent.
And need I mention again size of condom does matter. The man must be wet or lubed and the condom shear and of proper dimension. If he is built larger then do not try to squeeze him into a standard or small condom. Carry a variety of sizes if you are playing the market. And ladies, do not just leave it up to the man to place these on. Believe it or not…both men and women should practice on cucumbers... using standard condoms then the type similar to what you would use. Try various sizes of cucumbers with various sizes of condoms and men, use the cucumber that most closely matches your size…..you need not exaggerate to yourself. But practice until it is natural for you to just roll one down in one or two motions. Any more then that you are still stumbling...wobbling on that bike.
To make this part of the foreplay and keep the heat building take the front seat and learn and become talented on applying condoms this is for both men and woman. Of course the old stand by always works; “….hold on, wait a minute the wrapper won’t open, stop, wait while I put this on, I will be just a minute, hell it won’t roll down…oh damn it ripped pass me another…”
Sherper
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